I really am trying to move on, folks, but somehow this is the race hill they've chosen to die on.
“... after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning.”
Hmmmmm - kind of explains no blood visible = the EMT’s cleaned him up!
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“The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention”
Maybe he didn’t have blood on his fave, BECAUSE HE WAS GIVEN MEDICAL ATTENTION, YOU ****ING USELESS IDIOTS!
I know when I put a bandaid on after I cut myself or something, I just slap the bandaid on right over the blood without cleaning everything so that anyone who wants to know if I got cut can see that I got cut especially when viewing surveillance footage...
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Once again the lamestream media is trying to incite more hatred with lies. Maybe they learned from Rather.
I hope someone can refute this and turn it on ABC.
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Why does the MSM keep spreading a false narrative on this? The guy was a Democrat and Hispanic.
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Load of horse shit.
That video is a bit grainy. There is no close up of the injured parts and he had medical attention before his arrival at the Police Station/Jail.
It’s expositive of nothing and only proves some guy can use a camcorder, hand held to record a lawful and safe transfer of a prisoner to processing.
ARC is merely Dan Rathering this. Fake but true by lie of omission and misdirection.
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I can see these jackholes discounting the EMT service, but has the reporter never had a bruise? The discoloration takes time to develop.
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"Still, after seeing that his attorney say that his nose had been broken, I was certainly expecting to see a lot of blood on his clothes. "
Well, let’s see, maybe the blood was on the ground since he was laying on his back.
Maybe it was on the fists of the perp.
Maybe it clotted before he stood.
--Yep, s/he just called Martin the perp.
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Meh... Democrats killing Democrats.
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"At 1:26 in the video, you can clearly see the officer inspecting the back of Z's head"
And he looks at it for a while. It must have looked pretty bad.
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My brother broke his nose by wrecking his go-cart into a light post base when he was about 10. Head went forward and the bridge of the nose stuck the steering wheel. It lacerated the top of the bridge of the nose from which a small amount of blood flowed, however x-rays revealed the nose to be broken.
Showing posts with label trayvon martin. Show all posts
Showing posts with label trayvon martin. Show all posts
Wednesday, March 28, 2012
(Vanity) Info that has been omitted from Trayvon Martin Shooting that I would like to know:
I've been trying to avoid this topic as I've done several posts on this, but both the inept OP and the awful racist comments made this thread a priority.
Vanity Post:
My basic question is: What was Trayvon doing in the gated community where he was shot?
Was he cutting through the neighborhood on his way home? He was obviously on foot ... where's the proximity to his house?
Was he on his way to visit friends? Surely, you would have thought one of his friends would have come forward to say he had just spoke to him on his cell phone and he would be over shortly.
Was he on his way to purchase 'weed' or hook up with somebody? (as 90% of his tweets either extoll the virtues of weed or refer to his desire to ####)
Where was he coming from?
Comments:
He was temporarily living inside that “gated community” either with his father, or his father’s girlfriend — depending on which report you read. He was serving a suspension from school. So basically it appears that he was an unfamiliar face on the street at a time when kids his age are usually in school. This is the kind of thing that arouses suspicion.
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What's strange is that a few days after this hit the news, you haven't researched enough to know the answers to your very basic questions; and, you've framed the questions in a way that indicate some bias.
He was headed to his father GF house, in the gated community. It's reported that he died about 100 feet / 100 yards from the dwelling he was staying at.
His girlfriend claims that she was on the phone with him sometime between the time Zimmerman spotted him (Trayvon was aware he was being watched), up to what she claims is the start of the physical altercation. She reports the call ended before any gunshot.
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"he was staying in the neighborhood. He was returning from a trip to 7-11 to buy candy."
Exactly whom was he "staying with"? Why did they not notice him missing for 3 days?
Candy? Kandy Kush maybe.
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There had been multiple burglaries in the gated community in past months. Four AA youth had already been caught by the Neighborhood Watch group that Z belonged and charged for crimes.
My question. Since burglaries by black youth had been a problem, why would parents allow a young person unfamiliar in the community walk alone? Surely one could drive or accompany him.
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Before Trayvon was suspended for the 3rd time (for 10 days) from his school, he lived 3.5 hours away. Because of the most recent suspension, it was the judgement of Trayvon’s mother that Trayvon should stay with his father during this sudden “vacation”.
Trayvon’s father is lucky enough to sponge off of a woman who lives in a gated community (I don’t know the race of that woman, and many freeps will noisily averr that it doesn’t matter).
So Trayvon (who was busted at school for having burglar tools) was in this gated community to stay with his moocher father.
And this was a community that had a sudden number of burglaries, enough to energize a liberal, Democrat-registered Jewish Puerto Rican.
Was Trayvon **responsible** for the burglaries?
I don’t know that, but I would be interested to know if l’il Tray was shon on day 1 of the suspension, or day 10. Because if he had been in the neighborhood for 10 days, then that would be a reasonable amount of time in which to restart his burglary hobby.
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Other questions:
1. Where in the project does the father/girlfriend live? Where is the 7/11? What is the proximity, and was it clear Trayvon was just going to and back?
2. If he bought stuff, where’s the record he did so at the 7/11? You would think they would have a sales record. Also security camera should show him buying the stuff.
3. Why didn’t he have any i.d. when he was killed, so he was reported as a “John Doe”? Wouldn’t someone normally have a wallet if they were going to buy something? Wouldn’t that wallet normally have some sort of i.d.?
4. What about that bus driver he supposedly beat up? Has anyone looked for the guy?
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-- Then why did he run when he noticed that he was being observed? --
Funny thing about Martin's conduct. He noticed he was being observed, so he stares at Zimmerman (who is in his car/truck/SUV whatever). Then he comes closer, sticks his hand in his waistband. Stares some more. Zimmerman is relating all this over the phone to Sanford PD. Then Martin takes off running, and manages to lose Zimmerman.
-- Why did he then return to confront Zimmerman? --
To administer a beat down. He (Martin) was close to home (100, 200 yards, maybe closer), and could have just gone home, with Zimmerman none the wiser.
-- Why did he then attack Zimmerman? --
You wouldn't understand. It's a "savage" thing. Martin felt dissed or something, and was going to show the little prick who was king of the 'hood.
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I have another more pressing question.
If Trayvon had acted with humility and decency and politeness, would he be alive today?
A) If Zimmerman had been rude and racist to him - what are you doing in this neighborhood, you blankety-blank? - and Trayvon had said, “I’m visiting friends/ my father, sir. May I ask who you are?” and then walking to the father’s place and somehow reporting the racist who had verbally accosted him, would he be alive?
b) If Zimmerman had been kind to him but concerned - young man, do you have business in this area? - and Trayvon had answered politely, would he be alive?
In other words, Trayvon’s death is 100% attributed to HIS OWN ACTIONS. Parents, teach your teens to be polite no matter how others treat them. Deal with bad people later. Be polite on the street.
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The game started at 7 PM EST—so that would mean halftime—with commercials, timeouts, etc wouldn’t have started until 8 or so.
Saint Skittles was shot around 7:20—that means he was on his way back from the store and almost home, encountering Zimmerman 40-45 min before halftime.
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C-C-COMBO BREAKER:
the 3-day story is incorrect, you need to get better information. This rumor has it origins in the fact that the police booked Martin’s body as a John Doe and apparently made zero effort to identify him. So the father had to file a missing person’s report the next morning to find out his son was dead. Like the rumor going around here the other day that Martin was shot at 3am (which is when the police report was FILED) this is the kind of bad info that is easily checked before repeating. Its important to do so because when you blindly repeat untrue rumors it looks like you have an agenda. Let the Libs distort the facts, we need nothing but the truth to win our arguments
I’ve done criminal law, in Chicago no less, and literally defended some of the true scum of the earth (Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, etc) Having worked with real “thugs” in genuine “hoods” you have no idea how ridiculous you sound trying to apply their psychology to this middle-class kid living in a gated community in Florida( AND BTW you badly misunderstand the mind of street-rat. The truth is ‘bangers are by and large utter cowards who ONLY attack when they have numbers on their side, anything close to fair fight and they turn heel until they can gather up their posse and ambush their opponent
Vanity Post:
My basic question is: What was Trayvon doing in the gated community where he was shot?
Was he cutting through the neighborhood on his way home? He was obviously on foot ... where's the proximity to his house?
Was he on his way to visit friends? Surely, you would have thought one of his friends would have come forward to say he had just spoke to him on his cell phone and he would be over shortly.
Was he on his way to purchase 'weed' or hook up with somebody? (as 90% of his tweets either extoll the virtues of weed or refer to his desire to ####)
Where was he coming from?
Comments:
He was temporarily living inside that “gated community” either with his father, or his father’s girlfriend — depending on which report you read. He was serving a suspension from school. So basically it appears that he was an unfamiliar face on the street at a time when kids his age are usually in school. This is the kind of thing that arouses suspicion.
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What's strange is that a few days after this hit the news, you haven't researched enough to know the answers to your very basic questions; and, you've framed the questions in a way that indicate some bias.
He was headed to his father GF house, in the gated community. It's reported that he died about 100 feet / 100 yards from the dwelling he was staying at.
His girlfriend claims that she was on the phone with him sometime between the time Zimmerman spotted him (Trayvon was aware he was being watched), up to what she claims is the start of the physical altercation. She reports the call ended before any gunshot.
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"he was staying in the neighborhood. He was returning from a trip to 7-11 to buy candy."
Exactly whom was he "staying with"? Why did they not notice him missing for 3 days?
Candy? Kandy Kush maybe.
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There had been multiple burglaries in the gated community in past months. Four AA youth had already been caught by the Neighborhood Watch group that Z belonged and charged for crimes.
My question. Since burglaries by black youth had been a problem, why would parents allow a young person unfamiliar in the community walk alone? Surely one could drive or accompany him.
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Before Trayvon was suspended for the 3rd time (for 10 days) from his school, he lived 3.5 hours away. Because of the most recent suspension, it was the judgement of Trayvon’s mother that Trayvon should stay with his father during this sudden “vacation”.
Trayvon’s father is lucky enough to sponge off of a woman who lives in a gated community (I don’t know the race of that woman, and many freeps will noisily averr that it doesn’t matter).
So Trayvon (who was busted at school for having burglar tools) was in this gated community to stay with his moocher father.
And this was a community that had a sudden number of burglaries, enough to energize a liberal, Democrat-registered Jewish Puerto Rican.
Was Trayvon **responsible** for the burglaries?
I don’t know that, but I would be interested to know if l’il Tray was shon on day 1 of the suspension, or day 10. Because if he had been in the neighborhood for 10 days, then that would be a reasonable amount of time in which to restart his burglary hobby.
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Other questions:
1. Where in the project does the father/girlfriend live? Where is the 7/11? What is the proximity, and was it clear Trayvon was just going to and back?
2. If he bought stuff, where’s the record he did so at the 7/11? You would think they would have a sales record. Also security camera should show him buying the stuff.
3. Why didn’t he have any i.d. when he was killed, so he was reported as a “John Doe”? Wouldn’t someone normally have a wallet if they were going to buy something? Wouldn’t that wallet normally have some sort of i.d.?
4. What about that bus driver he supposedly beat up? Has anyone looked for the guy?
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-- Then why did he run when he noticed that he was being observed? --
Funny thing about Martin's conduct. He noticed he was being observed, so he stares at Zimmerman (who is in his car/truck/SUV whatever). Then he comes closer, sticks his hand in his waistband. Stares some more. Zimmerman is relating all this over the phone to Sanford PD. Then Martin takes off running, and manages to lose Zimmerman.
-- Why did he then return to confront Zimmerman? --
To administer a beat down. He (Martin) was close to home (100, 200 yards, maybe closer), and could have just gone home, with Zimmerman none the wiser.
-- Why did he then attack Zimmerman? --
You wouldn't understand. It's a "savage" thing. Martin felt dissed or something, and was going to show the little prick who was king of the 'hood.
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I have another more pressing question.
If Trayvon had acted with humility and decency and politeness, would he be alive today?
A) If Zimmerman had been rude and racist to him - what are you doing in this neighborhood, you blankety-blank? - and Trayvon had said, “I’m visiting friends/ my father, sir. May I ask who you are?” and then walking to the father’s place and somehow reporting the racist who had verbally accosted him, would he be alive?
b) If Zimmerman had been kind to him but concerned - young man, do you have business in this area? - and Trayvon had answered politely, would he be alive?
In other words, Trayvon’s death is 100% attributed to HIS OWN ACTIONS. Parents, teach your teens to be polite no matter how others treat them. Deal with bad people later. Be polite on the street.
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The game started at 7 PM EST—so that would mean halftime—with commercials, timeouts, etc wouldn’t have started until 8 or so.
Saint Skittles was shot around 7:20—that means he was on his way back from the store and almost home, encountering Zimmerman 40-45 min before halftime.
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C-C-COMBO BREAKER:
the 3-day story is incorrect, you need to get better information. This rumor has it origins in the fact that the police booked Martin’s body as a John Doe and apparently made zero effort to identify him. So the father had to file a missing person’s report the next morning to find out his son was dead. Like the rumor going around here the other day that Martin was shot at 3am (which is when the police report was FILED) this is the kind of bad info that is easily checked before repeating. Its important to do so because when you blindly repeat untrue rumors it looks like you have an agenda. Let the Libs distort the facts, we need nothing but the truth to win our arguments
I’ve done criminal law, in Chicago no less, and literally defended some of the true scum of the earth (Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, etc) Having worked with real “thugs” in genuine “hoods” you have no idea how ridiculous you sound trying to apply their psychology to this middle-class kid living in a gated community in Florida( AND BTW you badly misunderstand the mind of street-rat. The truth is ‘bangers are by and large utter cowards who ONLY attack when they have numbers on their side, anything close to fair fight and they turn heel until they can gather up their posse and ambush their opponent
Monday, March 26, 2012
Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
"This seals it. He WAS defending himself. As his friend said, it was either Zimmerman or Martin. One would live, one would die. Never bring a fist to a gun fight."
This doesn’t seal it.
‘Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.’
That negates any self defense argument in my book.
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But how could such a helpless, young, 6’2” football player have been such a threat to Zimmerman? /s
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I don't think the facts, whatever they may be, matter any more. This is now political. The DOJ will assure that Zimmerman is convicted of something. Witnesses and local officials will be gotten to and will either say the right things or be discredited and silenced. Lord Obama has spoken. That's not to say that Zimmerman didn't do something wrong. It simply doesn't matter.
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Wow! It looks like all of Black America owes George Zimmerman an APOLOGY!
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I’m glad that Zimmerman defended himself from this pot-smoking “black” THUG. He saved the Florida taxpayers a lot of money.
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"The evidence will produce the facts, however, the tapes, and Zimmerman ignoring the 911 operator NOT to follow, is going to get Zimmerman a Manslaughter charge at the least. "
You are making things up. The 911 operator suggested not to follow, it was not an order. It is NOT against the law to get out of your vehicle. It is, however, against the law to bash someone's head repeatedly into a sidewalk.
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"That negates any self defense argument in my book."
What "book" would that be? Das Kapitol? Mien Kamph?
In MY book: The Declaration and Constitution, it says INNOCENT. UNTIL. PROVEN. GUILTY. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
And say any thing you want about it, the one thing that IS TRUE: There is more than enough doubt to go around.
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Are there any recent photos of Martin posted online?
(Not the young one that Obama said looked like his son, but the bigger, burlier older guy that he really was).
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I once followed a group of black teenagers into a Korean dress shop in Manhattan where they promptly surrounded the female cashier in what I stupidly took to be a somewhat suspicious manner. It turned out they were looking for Size 2 Norma Kamali dresses! (That’s sarcasm.)
Do ANY of you freepers live where frightening black teenagers threaten, rape and murder people???
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No rush to judgement on either side, please.
We have heard some of the statement from Zimmerman. People are jumping on this to prove self-defense.
Let’s wait for a statement from Martin... oh, that’s right, he’s dead.
So that must mean that Zimmerman’s story is rock-solid truth, right????
So, let’s hold on til the investigation takes its course. Be interesting to discover trajectory of bullet, distance traveled...
The evidence won’t lie. Where’s Horatio Caine and his CSI team when needed????
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This “17 year old kid” was 6’2” and a football player at his school from what I read. So don’t let the old pictures of him fool you. Ever wonder why they aren’t showing any recent pictures of him in the media?
He was no small child or innocent angel.
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I assume you are refering to the accusation that Zimmerman said the word “coon.” It has also been reported that he said the word “goon.” I realize that this story is spinning out of control in a manner reminiscent of Rodney King but we all (me, too!) need to get our facts straight.
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"Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.
That negates any self defense argument in my book."
Does that mean that you think people should ignore suspicious people and activities?
Our society is so feminized that most men today are afraid to confront s suspicious character and possibly prevent that person from ACTUALLY doing possible harm to someone or someone’s property.
Do nothing. Say nothing. Accept the consequences of letting criminals (etc) have free access to your community and possibly to your family or friends and neighbors.
A simple challenge of a suspicious character could possibly prevent an incident & “if” the person is innocent he would possibly appreciate the fact that there are concerned people who are watching and protecting the neighborhood and its residents.
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"Z is calling Tray the ugliest names on a recorded 911 call"
You keep posting that crap......what exactly are those "NAMESs" and note that it is plural, meaning more than once.
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Overzealousness isn’t a crime.
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all some of us want is to let a grand jury decide,, it can send a message to legislators and criminals alike.. and people in hoodies.
let the process grind it thru its gears.
anyone exploiting the situation to do otherwise should be embarassed.
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"Okay, I'm NOT the DA but Stand Your Ground does not mean Move That Ground and pretend you are Barney Fife. Zimmerman was in the wrong neighborhood if he is suspicious of blacks. That complex was very integrated. I'm helping my black neighbor plant flowers next week. Maybe living in an integrated neighborhood gives me a different perspective. I'm well aware of black on black crime tales and if I was black, I'd be watching my back all the time. Black domestic violence is under reported for one thing.
Zimmerman sat on Trayvon's dead body until the cops got there. There's video of that but never mind. Zimmerman had some things going on in his mind that led him to be overzealous. An HOA "guest" is dead. They will be sued. Hope they go bankrupt and some sleazy bank buys the whole complex. I know what HOAs can and cannot do. Shooting people while volunteering is a can't. This is a big civil deal too."
The amount of errors/disinformation/lies/slander in your post is staggering.
WTF are you doing on this particular forum, lost or trolling?
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The NYT is reporting Zimmerman as a white hispanic. They are trying to foment a black on white race war by completely ignoring, or covering up, that Zimmerman is half hispanic.
Watch for the next 'newsworthy' incident where a white can be blamed for 'crimes' against a hispanic. it will demonstrate how even with our first post-racial, magical black Pres__ent, we can never overcome just how violent, racist, and evil whitey is.
This also being an election year and zero slipping in the polls. Expect the 'whitey is evil' drumbeat to get louder and louder.
The Reichstag fire will look like amateur hour. My money says it's going to be a long hot summer.
This doesn’t seal it.
‘Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.’
That negates any self defense argument in my book.
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But how could such a helpless, young, 6’2” football player have been such a threat to Zimmerman? /s
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I don't think the facts, whatever they may be, matter any more. This is now political. The DOJ will assure that Zimmerman is convicted of something. Witnesses and local officials will be gotten to and will either say the right things or be discredited and silenced. Lord Obama has spoken. That's not to say that Zimmerman didn't do something wrong. It simply doesn't matter.
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Wow! It looks like all of Black America owes George Zimmerman an APOLOGY!
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I’m glad that Zimmerman defended himself from this pot-smoking “black” THUG. He saved the Florida taxpayers a lot of money.
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"The evidence will produce the facts, however, the tapes, and Zimmerman ignoring the 911 operator NOT to follow, is going to get Zimmerman a Manslaughter charge at the least. "
You are making things up. The 911 operator suggested not to follow, it was not an order. It is NOT against the law to get out of your vehicle. It is, however, against the law to bash someone's head repeatedly into a sidewalk.
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"That negates any self defense argument in my book."
What "book" would that be? Das Kapitol? Mien Kamph?
In MY book: The Declaration and Constitution, it says INNOCENT. UNTIL. PROVEN. GUILTY. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
And say any thing you want about it, the one thing that IS TRUE: There is more than enough doubt to go around.
*
Are there any recent photos of Martin posted online?
(Not the young one that Obama said looked like his son, but the bigger, burlier older guy that he really was).
*
I once followed a group of black teenagers into a Korean dress shop in Manhattan where they promptly surrounded the female cashier in what I stupidly took to be a somewhat suspicious manner. It turned out they were looking for Size 2 Norma Kamali dresses! (That’s sarcasm.)
Do ANY of you freepers live where frightening black teenagers threaten, rape and murder people???
*
No rush to judgement on either side, please.
We have heard some of the statement from Zimmerman. People are jumping on this to prove self-defense.
Let’s wait for a statement from Martin... oh, that’s right, he’s dead.
So that must mean that Zimmerman’s story is rock-solid truth, right????
So, let’s hold on til the investigation takes its course. Be interesting to discover trajectory of bullet, distance traveled...
The evidence won’t lie. Where’s Horatio Caine and his CSI team when needed????
*
This “17 year old kid” was 6’2” and a football player at his school from what I read. So don’t let the old pictures of him fool you. Ever wonder why they aren’t showing any recent pictures of him in the media?
He was no small child or innocent angel.
*
I assume you are refering to the accusation that Zimmerman said the word “coon.” It has also been reported that he said the word “goon.” I realize that this story is spinning out of control in a manner reminiscent of Rodney King but we all (me, too!) need to get our facts straight.
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"Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.
That negates any self defense argument in my book."
Does that mean that you think people should ignore suspicious people and activities?
Our society is so feminized that most men today are afraid to confront s suspicious character and possibly prevent that person from ACTUALLY doing possible harm to someone or someone’s property.
Do nothing. Say nothing. Accept the consequences of letting criminals (etc) have free access to your community and possibly to your family or friends and neighbors.
A simple challenge of a suspicious character could possibly prevent an incident & “if” the person is innocent he would possibly appreciate the fact that there are concerned people who are watching and protecting the neighborhood and its residents.
*
"Z is calling Tray the ugliest names on a recorded 911 call"
You keep posting that crap......what exactly are those "NAMESs" and note that it is plural, meaning more than once.
*
Overzealousness isn’t a crime.
*
all some of us want is to let a grand jury decide,, it can send a message to legislators and criminals alike.. and people in hoodies.
let the process grind it thru its gears.
anyone exploiting the situation to do otherwise should be embarassed.
*
"Okay, I'm NOT the DA but Stand Your Ground does not mean Move That Ground and pretend you are Barney Fife. Zimmerman was in the wrong neighborhood if he is suspicious of blacks. That complex was very integrated. I'm helping my black neighbor plant flowers next week. Maybe living in an integrated neighborhood gives me a different perspective. I'm well aware of black on black crime tales and if I was black, I'd be watching my back all the time. Black domestic violence is under reported for one thing.
Zimmerman sat on Trayvon's dead body until the cops got there. There's video of that but never mind. Zimmerman had some things going on in his mind that led him to be overzealous. An HOA "guest" is dead. They will be sued. Hope they go bankrupt and some sleazy bank buys the whole complex. I know what HOAs can and cannot do. Shooting people while volunteering is a can't. This is a big civil deal too."
The amount of errors/disinformation/lies/slander in your post is staggering.
WTF are you doing on this particular forum, lost or trolling?
*
The NYT is reporting Zimmerman as a white hispanic. They are trying to foment a black on white race war by completely ignoring, or covering up, that Zimmerman is half hispanic.
Watch for the next 'newsworthy' incident where a white can be blamed for 'crimes' against a hispanic. it will demonstrate how even with our first post-racial, magical black Pres__ent, we can never overcome just how violent, racist, and evil whitey is.
This also being an election year and zero slipping in the polls. Expect the 'whitey is evil' drumbeat to get louder and louder.
The Reichstag fire will look like amateur hour. My money says it's going to be a long hot summer.
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