Summary: Breivik is the Norwegian man who went on a killing spree last summer, killing dozens of teenagers at a liberal political camp and bombing a building. His views are somewhat Freeper-ish, and he hates Muslims and liberals. He apparently really like World of Warcraft, too.
I keep wondering how the trial would be handled if the killer shot members of a far right group instead of the Norwegian socialist elite ?
we must keep in mind Utoya Islans was a haven of socialist hatred towards Jews and an enclave for Islamists.The youngs on the Island were praisingsuicide bombers and welcoming islamist speakers with open arms.
I am not saying in anyway Breivik was right, just wondering how the media would have dealt with the case. Would they have been very sympathetic ? would they have found excuses for the killings?
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I know how someone can really get the goat of the Norwegian leftists left right now. Refer to Anders Behring Breivik as “Anders Behring Breivik Dragen”.
Breivik’s hero is Vlad Tepis, who is seen in modern Romania as a hero for defending his nation against Islamic invasion, which was utterly brutal on both sides, not just the Wallachian side.
Vlad Tepis’ father was “Vlad II Dracul”, the appellation “Dracul” meaning “Dragon”. Thus Vlad III Tepis, or as he was called posthumously, “Vlad the Impaler”, had the appellation of “Dracula”, or “Son of the Dragon”.
Thus, by calling “Anders Behring Breivik”, “Anders Behring Breivik Dragen”, the Norwegian word for dragon, it implies that, though he did not directly smite Muslims, he smote those sympathizers who wanted to overrun Norway with Muslims, to destroy its culture, and subjugate its people.
And by wiping out the socialist-communist equivalent of the Norwegian leftist Hitler Jugend, the next generation of ideologically pure international socialists, Breivik may have very well changed the course of his nation, to remain Norwegian, instead of becoming a socialist “administrative district”, full of ethnically heterogeneous “generic persons”, a weird “Marxist Islamic state”.
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"Breivik mastered all 85 levels of “World of Warcraft”."
...and had no sex life. No wonder he went a bit over the edge.
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What is the big deal? There is no death penalty and how much time can he get in Norway anyways? Do they have life imprisonment, or are they like Germany with the maximum sentence being fifteen years?
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I wonder how quickly they’ll restock that school with little freedom and liberty haters in training.
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This isn’t the first time I’ve seen some disapproving nanny-state glare thrown at [WoW]. One of the things that has to annoy party hacks and control freaks everywhere is the amount of skeptical discussions in game about political factions, ideaologies and personalities. Very unscripted, irreverent and critical. Like coffeeshops in the Islamic world, someone is going to want to shut off all that thinking and talking going on in there.
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What else should be on trial, is a society that allows camps for political indoctrination of thier youth.
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"The trial will be very interesting."
I'll bet.
If Breivik doesn't lie, is direct and doesn't rage, the lefties have a real problem.
If the Muslims that testify also tell the truth (not likely) it will be a disaster. If they aren't allowed to testify it will also be a disaster.
So basically this guy thinks that a guy who freaks out at an immigration increase and shoots a bunch of kids deserves to hear the immigrants side of the story.
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I believe that Breivik is not just sane, but that his actions were carefully and expertly planned, well executed, and importantly, achieved Breiviks goals. And in doing so, he has altered the future course of his nation.
Here is some background not widely covered by the media.
1) The Workers’ Youth League (Norway) was founded in 1927 with the merger of the Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway. While it officially considers its founding based on the 1903 Norwegian Social-Democratic Youth League, its real impulse came in response to the formation of the Hitler Jugend in Germany, in 1922.
In all of these cases, whether communist or socialist, the purpose of these leagues was to create an ideologically pure generation to replace the current communist or socialist, socialist-fascist political leadership.
Importantly, over the course of almost 100 years, these youth leagues maintained the idealistic, ideological focus of their political movements. This is a winning strategy against conservatism in any form, because conservatives have no inflexible doctrines, and tend to use a static defense of retaining the status quo, whatever it is. Which invariably loses.
2) In modern internationalist-socialism, a primary goal is to eliminate national borders and national, cultural, and ethnic identities, as well as philosophies other than their own. To do this it encourages unrestricted immigration, on condition the immigrants give political loyalty to the left.
That the immigrants are also deeply ideological and in strong opposition to leftism is of small consequence to the left, because it sees them as inherently weak and corruptible, their ideologies far weaker than conservative nationalism.
Norway has a relatively tiny population of only 4.7m, so they are remarkably easy to infiltrate with immigrants until Norwegians are in the minority.
3) So the end result with be an absolute majority of political power for the left, the destruction of Norway as a unique nation, and the Norwegians as a unique people and culture, what remains being a “generic” administrative socialist district of Europe, lead by an ideologically pure elite of internationalists with no loyalty whatsoever to what had been Norway.
4) However, the left made a major mistake by “putting all its eggs in one basket”, with virtually its entire future generation of socialist leaders on an island with no ready means of escape.
Breivik first used a bomb to distract the socialist government, the arrived at the island to systematically kill everyone on it. Once he had achieved that goal, his mission was over and he surrendered peacefully.
5) What he achieved was to completely handicap not just that political party but their anti-Norway agenda. Almost by default, they will soon lose political power, and the more conservative opposition will derail the most destructive of their schemes, hopefully expelling a large number of these immigrants, requiring integration of the rest, restoring Norway’s national pride and culture, and to dismantle much of the socialist government’s bureaucracy.
As such, after many years, Breivik may be regarded as a national hero, though he will be bitterly vilified and cursed by the left even longer, as a “counterrevolutionary.”
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Lefties quickly learn to "work" the law, and run into problems when their opponents also learn to "work' the law.
Interestingly, although the left presents Breivik as an extreme rightist, in fact he is a nationalist, and is more socialist than not.
As in Germany, this is a fight among socialists.
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"What else should be on trial, is a society that allows camps for political indoctrination of thier youth."
So you want the government to prevent people to volunterly join groups like the boy and girl scouts, church camp??
(think before you say you want something forbiddened)
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The media and "intellectuals" have pushed the phony meme for a half Century that Fascism is from the right. In fact, it is a leftist philosophy as it's proper name, National Socialism implies. The pre war fight for control of Germany was between Communist groups having nothing to do with the right.
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I read an analysis of what Breivik did, but rewritten to put it in terms that make more sense to Americans, supposedly taking place in America.
It begins with a non-violent Muslim youth league, that over many years becomes increasingly powerful as a political movement in the US, to the point that now and then the Muslim political party has a majority in congress and even the presidency.
Their ends are to get rid of the US constitution, and replace it with Sharia law. All the while assuring non-Muslim Americans that they mean them no harm. But soon, all government largess goes to those who support Islam, and there is unrestricted immigration encouraged from every Muslim nation in the world. Hundreds of millions of Muslims coming to America.
Eventually they wish to even discard the name “America” and replace it with a Sultanate. And they train all their children in a giant, public funded madrassa, with the idea that eventually they will become the future leaders of the Sultanate. No one can become a leader in their political party unless they have graduated from this madrassa and follow precisely the agenda of the Muslim party.
Yet one non-Muslim American sees where this is going, and does not like it. He likes living in a constitutional nation. He likes his fellow Americans, but does not like endless immigration of Muslims to America.
And he knows that if he wipes out this giant madrassa, the cause of the Islamization of America will be set back perhaps a hundred years or more. It will be highly likely that the spigot of immigration will be turned off, and many of the immigrants already here will be made to leave.
He is an American version of Breivik. Is he a villain or a hero for wanting to save his nation the way it is?
This is a fair approximation of the situation in Norway. So again the question is, do the ends justify the means?
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Interesting that they are treating him so well, since his actions were the opposite of politically correct.
If it happened in the U.S., the whole liberal establishment would be bashing him non-stop as a terrible example of what vast right wing conspirators and Christian militias will do, if not prevented.
And Obama would be using him as a campaign weapon. Just like bill clinton used the OKC bombing as his winning message in 2006, even though clinton, the FBI, and the CIA were actually involved in that conspiracy.
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And by wiping out the socialist-communist equivalent of the Norwegian leftist Hitler Jugend, the next generation of ideologically pure international socialists, Breivik may have very well changed the course of his nation, to remain Norwegian, instead of becoming a socialist “administrative district”, full of ethnically heterogeneous “generic persons”, a weird “Marxist Islamic state”’
....?????? Sorry, but are you actually trying in some way to justify or make excuses for what this man did? That may not be your intention (I’d certainly hope not) but it sure as hell reads like it, with the above comment and your recommendations for people to add referential honorifics to his name.
This is a terrorist who planted an indiscriminate mass car-bomb in a crowded city center, then systematically massacred 69 kids (and yes they were largely 14-18 years old: that makes them kids in my book) because of his warped, twisted and in all probability insane views. If you find anything to praise, respect or admire in that, then I’m desperately sorry for you, and you need help.
This has and had nothing to do with ‘changing the course of a nation’ or of a valid political viewpoint, even one taken to extremes: it was mass-murder and terrorism, pure and simple. Whether the kids Breivik massacred were socialists, fascists, communists or followers of the flying spaghetti-monster has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. We don’t murder teenage kids in this country on the basis of their (or more likely, their parents’) political affiliations, nor do we make excuses for those who do. I believe, in general, we give them the needle.
If such viewpoints are accepted and acceptable on this site, then I’m clearly in the wrong place, and happy to leave. I’m a proud conversative, not an apologist for mass-murderers and terrorists.
Response:Your arguments are typical, and to be expected in a reasonable situation, but this is an extraordinary situation.
I cited the Hitler Jugend (1922) for a very good reason, this being that the AUF Workers’ Youth League (Norway) was created as a socialist-communist merger just five years later (1927), to accomplish similar political goals as the Hitler Jugend. That being the socialist-communist agenda, instead of the fascist agenda.
> “Whether the kids Breivik massacred were socialists,
> fascists, communists or followers of the flying spaghetti
> monster has absolutely no relevance whatsoever.”
In the case of fascists, the Hitler Jugend were trained to be militarily aggressive, to conquer other countries and exterminate the ‘inferior’ peoples within. Those male “kids” at age 17 would be inducted most likely into the Waffen or General Schutzstaffel, to commit horrific acts, or they were to become the next generation of government to promulgate and manage such acts.
They were not “just children”, but raised and indoctrinated to be sociopaths.
I have met older adults who had been members of the Hitler Jugend, and every one of them were still proud of that membership, and had every intention of doing those things when they were of age. They still carried within themselves the desire for racial purity, antisemitism, and military aggression.
But what about the AUF? The Workers’ Youth League of Norway? While not as direct and brutal as fascists, they were just as indoctrinated and ruthless in carrying out the goals of international socialist-communism. As such, they actively worked to destroy their own nation, and to wipe out Norwegians as a people. That this was to be done with gradualism, using democracy as a subterfuge, the end result would be the same.
Does it matter to a person if they are killed by being bashed on the head with a baseball bat, or they are slowly poisoned over the course of a week with good tasting food?
In either case they are dead, and in either case they have been murdered, and in either case, the murderer wins.
I have met so many people that have lived under socialist-communist regimes, which they have described as like living with cancer. It eats away at your substance, taking away your prosperity, your health, your happiness, and eventually your life.
They have perfected their twisted faith, to corrupt, distort, steal, pollute (physically they are an environmental catastrophe), and take away the joy of others. That we have the ability to reject them for now is good, for now, but they are persistent. Like Islamists, they have complete faith that they will conquer, that all people will eventually be under their sway.
Though I agree that Breivik does not really deserve accolades, he did see himself as in a role like Vlad Tepis, defending his nation against Islamic conquest. Yet not acting directly against Muslims, but against those who wished to destroy his nation by inviting unlimited numbers of Muslims across the threshold.
You may be horrified that they were “just kids”, but had these “kids” become adults, his nation would likely have been forfeit. All that Norway is and was, and the Norwegian people themselves, would have been swept away as detritus before “the cause”.
Would you be willing to lose your nation, your people, and your history, just because they stood in the way of those that wished to supplant them?
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Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Norway massacre: Breivik declared insane
Short but terrifying post.
He probably does belong in an asylum . . . along with all the Muslim-importing politicians
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"arguing that that the attacks were atrocious but necessary for his campaign to defend Europe against a Muslim invasion."
Enthusiastic, yes; insane, no. /sarc
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Breivik is insane? I disagree. The Norwegians who keep supporting more Muslim immigration despite the disgusting increase in Muslim-on-Norwegian rapes and violent crimes...those are the people who are insane.
As to Breivik, his decimation of the next generation of Norway’s leftist elites is, pragmatically speaking, an act of strategic brilliance.
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Norway is the most wealthy and open country in the word —last year EVERY single rape in Oslo was perpetrated by Muslims who hate Norway, or at least behave as if they do.
Evil? Sure, what he did was evil.
Nuts? No:
Norway is very ambitiously committing suicide by importing ever greater numbers of these people who with breath-taking clarity are destroying his country.
He gave up specifically BECAUSE he wanted a trial in order to nationally showcase his motives for this horrible crime.
My guess is that the legal system has guessed his strategy.
Shutting him away in Norway’s Prison-version of Club Med is their way of preserving their slow-motion multicultural process of national suicide.
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He massacred a communist preparatory camp for children of the political elite.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
He probably does belong in an asylum . . . along with all the Muslim-importing politicians
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"arguing that that the attacks were atrocious but necessary for his campaign to defend Europe against a Muslim invasion."
Enthusiastic, yes; insane, no. /sarc
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Breivik is insane? I disagree. The Norwegians who keep supporting more Muslim immigration despite the disgusting increase in Muslim-on-Norwegian rapes and violent crimes...those are the people who are insane.
As to Breivik, his decimation of the next generation of Norway’s leftist elites is, pragmatically speaking, an act of strategic brilliance.
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Norway is the most wealthy and open country in the word —last year EVERY single rape in Oslo was perpetrated by Muslims who hate Norway, or at least behave as if they do.
Evil? Sure, what he did was evil.
Nuts? No:
Norway is very ambitiously committing suicide by importing ever greater numbers of these people who with breath-taking clarity are destroying his country.
He gave up specifically BECAUSE he wanted a trial in order to nationally showcase his motives for this horrible crime.
My guess is that the legal system has guessed his strategy.
Shutting him away in Norway’s Prison-version of Club Med is their way of preserving their slow-motion multicultural process of national suicide.
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He massacred a communist preparatory camp for children of the political elite.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Monday, July 25, 2011
What Did The Oslo Killer Want?
Last one before we turn our focus to the impending default.
Summary: He wanted to start a war between Europeans and immigrant Muslims.
Why would anyone waste time analyzing this guy’s motives and reasoning? And why give him a forum to “explain himself?” Bottom line is that he wanted to kill innnocent people and he succeeded. He should be strung up, but sadly, he probably won’t get the justice he so richly deserves here on earth.
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Let me offer a third possibility.
The killer was influenced by the same kind of random terror attacks that he’s now seen his whole life, starting with the Lockerbie bombing in 1988, when he was five years old (I think), and ending with the July 11, 2011 killing of seven children by a suicide bomber in Pakistan (19 were injured). As he’s grown, he seen more and more people from Islamic culture, and he sees a ferocious loyalty to their culture. He’s seen how they do things. He creates this mirror world to Islam, and finally decides to act in defense of his vision of the world. He was using jihadi methods for his own purposes.
And, yes, those media claiming he’s a Christian of some sort. I have an answer right here on my middle finger.
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And, yes, those media claiming he’s a Christian of some sort.
I bet he's just as much a Christian (in action, not just in label) as Obama.
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He's a bit like Obama. Try to destroy the current nation in hopes that you can rebuild it in your preferred political image. Obama is trying to destroy us economically via the political process. The shooter wants a more direct route of military destruction to move the process along with more speed and surety. Both fail to understand that once everything is ripped down to dysfunction, there is no guarantee you can restart it as you please. The mentally ill in positions of power.
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I’m going with repressed homosexuality. His object was to kill these young boys, ( although girls too, I believe, ) as an acting out of this repression. An old story, and to some errant nonsense. When you’re talking about a twisted mind, though, there is something twisting it.
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“It’s also possible, that like many Nazis, he was enamored with certain aspects of Islam, like the concept of Jihad, which was not out of line with the old Pagan concept of Valhalla, in fact, Himmler himself, stated that he regretted that Islam didn’t take more of a foothold in Europe, and displaced Christianity, which he considered a cowardly religion.”
My thinking as well.
The common thread of the communists, nazis, islamicists, and hard left is this:
They are willing to take people, line them up against a wall and kill them, if that gets their ideology advanced.
Christianity hasnt been that tough on heretics and opponents since the days of witch burning.
Summary: He wanted to start a war between Europeans and immigrant Muslims.
Why would anyone waste time analyzing this guy’s motives and reasoning? And why give him a forum to “explain himself?” Bottom line is that he wanted to kill innnocent people and he succeeded. He should be strung up, but sadly, he probably won’t get the justice he so richly deserves here on earth.
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Let me offer a third possibility.
The killer was influenced by the same kind of random terror attacks that he’s now seen his whole life, starting with the Lockerbie bombing in 1988, when he was five years old (I think), and ending with the July 11, 2011 killing of seven children by a suicide bomber in Pakistan (19 were injured). As he’s grown, he seen more and more people from Islamic culture, and he sees a ferocious loyalty to their culture. He’s seen how they do things. He creates this mirror world to Islam, and finally decides to act in defense of his vision of the world. He was using jihadi methods for his own purposes.
And, yes, those media claiming he’s a Christian of some sort. I have an answer right here on my middle finger.
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And, yes, those media claiming he’s a Christian of some sort.
I bet he's just as much a Christian (in action, not just in label) as Obama.
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He's a bit like Obama. Try to destroy the current nation in hopes that you can rebuild it in your preferred political image. Obama is trying to destroy us economically via the political process. The shooter wants a more direct route of military destruction to move the process along with more speed and surety. Both fail to understand that once everything is ripped down to dysfunction, there is no guarantee you can restart it as you please. The mentally ill in positions of power.
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I’m going with repressed homosexuality. His object was to kill these young boys, ( although girls too, I believe, ) as an acting out of this repression. An old story, and to some errant nonsense. When you’re talking about a twisted mind, though, there is something twisting it.
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“It’s also possible, that like many Nazis, he was enamored with certain aspects of Islam, like the concept of Jihad, which was not out of line with the old Pagan concept of Valhalla, in fact, Himmler himself, stated that he regretted that Islam didn’t take more of a foothold in Europe, and displaced Christianity, which he considered a cowardly religion.”
My thinking as well.
The common thread of the communists, nazis, islamicists, and hard left is this:
They are willing to take people, line them up against a wall and kill them, if that gets their ideology advanced.
Christianity hasnt been that tough on heretics and opponents since the days of witch burning.
Norway shooter, part 4
"The plot thickens. First a Christian, but then a Marxist? White guy who goes on a killing spree on the day the DHS Video warning about White Terror comes out? Now connecting himself to Pamela Geller.
How convenient. "
He was not a Marxist. He hated Marxism in all its forms. I’ve only just begun to read his manifesto abd have so far found nothing to disagree with. His solution was wrong and horrific, but his thinking and research were not incorrect.
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[quote from the guy]
There is an intellectual disconnect here. Many of his ideas appear completely reasonable, then he kills 90+ children.
Where is the logical or illogical connection?
I’m not buying it.
There’s something rotten in Norway.
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The writer [of this manifesto] is a native US speaker. Unless this guy is from the US, the author is no more Norwegian than I am.
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I've seen the video based on the Berwick manifesto and I have to agree with almost all of it. I'm starting to read the manifesto and so far, it is dead on. I just think something snapped in this guy, the Norwegian shooter, in order for him to do this. I would have to ask a whole load of questions. Is he under extreme financial pressure? Girlfriend problems? What is his job situation? I can go on and on. I'll also like a full medical examination, I keep thinking of the Austin shooter, Whiteman, back in 1966, they discovered in his autopsy that he had a brain tumor.
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We should not extrapolate European problems onto ourselves. Most of our ancestors left Europe. And they left their European problems in Europe. This incident to me was a political attack and represents an escalation of civil war within the European continent. There is a reason the Euro is failing. Perhaps another great European purge has begun or is looking for justification.
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Why is anyone wondering why he did this?
In Norway there have been 2 groups of people:
1.) People who are beautiful and almost suicidally tolerant and open
2.) People who suck off the system, are fatalistic, often deal drugs, clitorectomize girls, shut their women in and enslave them as baby factories, and then and go around preaching death and all manner of ill-will to their credulous hosts
The man saw the Norwegian Labor Party as endlessly willing to import members of group 2 in ever-larger numbers. He got very mad, and saw the KIDS of this Party as being the thing they valued most —so he attacked that.
Can you debate that what he did was black-hearted? No. But why is ANYONE wondering about his motives....?
It’s the most obvious thing in the world and the Left more than any group at all wants him to have no opportunity to speak.
The reason is that the divide in Norway between groups 1 and 2 above could NOT conceivably wider, but multiculturalism pretends they’re the same.
They’re not, and what they require is for people to go on pretending that they’re the same.
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It is too bad this guy didn’t decicde to follow Lenin’s or Mussolini’s methods of coup d’etat instead of doing what he did. I’m not sure if he was hoping to provoke a revolution, like Tim McVeigh did, and if he did, he has failed, but certainly, like many others, some of them murdered by the Islamists, or, say, Oriana Fallaci, he has certainly raised the awareness of the danger. For how long and with what results?
I’m afraid that as frustration and rage among Europe and America’s non-elite natives raises there will be more like him and McVeigh.
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He considers himself a patriot for taking out the future leadership of the leftwing that is destroying Norway.
He reached his tipping point and acted effectivly.
How soon will that day cone for the US?
How convenient. "
He was not a Marxist. He hated Marxism in all its forms. I’ve only just begun to read his manifesto abd have so far found nothing to disagree with. His solution was wrong and horrific, but his thinking and research were not incorrect.
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[quote from the guy]
There is an intellectual disconnect here. Many of his ideas appear completely reasonable, then he kills 90+ children.
Where is the logical or illogical connection?
I’m not buying it.
There’s something rotten in Norway.
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The writer [of this manifesto] is a native US speaker. Unless this guy is from the US, the author is no more Norwegian than I am.
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I've seen the video based on the Berwick manifesto and I have to agree with almost all of it. I'm starting to read the manifesto and so far, it is dead on. I just think something snapped in this guy, the Norwegian shooter, in order for him to do this. I would have to ask a whole load of questions. Is he under extreme financial pressure? Girlfriend problems? What is his job situation? I can go on and on. I'll also like a full medical examination, I keep thinking of the Austin shooter, Whiteman, back in 1966, they discovered in his autopsy that he had a brain tumor.
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We should not extrapolate European problems onto ourselves. Most of our ancestors left Europe. And they left their European problems in Europe. This incident to me was a political attack and represents an escalation of civil war within the European continent. There is a reason the Euro is failing. Perhaps another great European purge has begun or is looking for justification.
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Why is anyone wondering why he did this?
In Norway there have been 2 groups of people:
1.) People who are beautiful and almost suicidally tolerant and open
2.) People who suck off the system, are fatalistic, often deal drugs, clitorectomize girls, shut their women in and enslave them as baby factories, and then and go around preaching death and all manner of ill-will to their credulous hosts
The man saw the Norwegian Labor Party as endlessly willing to import members of group 2 in ever-larger numbers. He got very mad, and saw the KIDS of this Party as being the thing they valued most —so he attacked that.
Can you debate that what he did was black-hearted? No. But why is ANYONE wondering about his motives....?
It’s the most obvious thing in the world and the Left more than any group at all wants him to have no opportunity to speak.
The reason is that the divide in Norway between groups 1 and 2 above could NOT conceivably wider, but multiculturalism pretends they’re the same.
They’re not, and what they require is for people to go on pretending that they’re the same.
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It is too bad this guy didn’t decicde to follow Lenin’s or Mussolini’s methods of coup d’etat instead of doing what he did. I’m not sure if he was hoping to provoke a revolution, like Tim McVeigh did, and if he did, he has failed, but certainly, like many others, some of them murdered by the Islamists, or, say, Oriana Fallaci, he has certainly raised the awareness of the danger. For how long and with what results?
I’m afraid that as frustration and rage among Europe and America’s non-elite natives raises there will be more like him and McVeigh.
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He considers himself a patriot for taking out the future leadership of the leftwing that is destroying Norway.
He reached his tipping point and acted effectivly.
How soon will that day cone for the US?
Sunday, July 24, 2011
Norwegian suspect, part 3
From various articles.
Of course he "acted alone."
He simply looked up on the Internet how to manufacture an Ammonium Nitrate (fertilizer) bomb and much like the rest of us do when searching how to make a good apple pie, proceeded to successfully accomplish what even practiced terrorists have had much difficulty accomplishinng, build a huge bomb and detonate it successfully.
Likewise, someone who had (apparently) no Military training/experience, goes out and obtains some weapons (including difficult to acquire--as reported--fully-automatic ones) and ammunition and proceeds (without ever having praticed, prepared or had any "instructions") to massacre some 80+ young children.
Makes sense to me!!! /sarc
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"Was his objective to kill and then have the public believe it was done by Muslims?"
It's worked with some people here. You could have a full confession from this guy and they would say it was a Muslim. I know that we ask many times "If mainstream Islam isn't represented by terrorist why don't more Muslims come out and condem those attacks." Well, I'll be the first to say publicly that even if this guy claims to be a Christian and a right winger he doesn't represent me, my faith, or those of you who stand with me for what is right. Our cause isn't about seeking out and killing a bunch of kids.
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Am wondering how Europeans in general feel about the Muslim problem - is the tide turning? Is it too late?
Muslim refusal to integrate will ultimately destroy their host’s cultures - what an unimaginable tragedy that would be.
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The traitors who unleashed the Muslim immigration onslaught against Europe made this madness inevitable. The Viking blood of Norway has been sleeping, but it didn't go away. Let's remember that the Viking was a warrior, but also capable of butchering innocents if that would get him what he wanted. Ask the monks at Lindisfarne.
God grant solace to the families. Having lost a child myself, I know that nothing will ever be the same for them.
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Here’s a clue for the clueless - Islam demands war against ALL non-Moslims.
Moslims are fighting a Crusade against the nom-Moslim world as I type this.
As for the crazed Norwegian murderer, he is hardly the first to see the necessity/inevitability of a crusade against Islam. Anyone who knows Islam, loathes Islam.
Shooting non-Islamic children is hardly a valid argument for the destruction of Islam.
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Look at it this way...
You are in Germany circa 1937. You know where one of the National Socialist retreats will be where future Nazi's are being indoctrinated.
What would you do?
--- In the interest of fairness, several Freepers replied to this guy saying he was a sick fuck.
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>> He’s just your average National Socialist. He thinks
>> conservatism means racial purity.
I see. Integration has worked so well for us. We have become such a great multicultural post-racial society since the 60’s. And it just keeps getting better and better.
Sentiments like yours make it clear. You’ve lost the culture war and you don’t even know it. They’ve managed to change the way you think and most of today’s conservatism is ideologically crippled and emotionally neutered to the point where it is always on the defensive. To steer clear, and not insinuate and never be confused with, or gosh forbid with anything that the other side labels “racist” and “offensive”.
Conservatism in its present form is a dead horse.
You think 2012 will save you? You think Palin or Bachmann will save you?
Just like coming here post-election day 2008 and finding some people slowly, painfully waking up to reality.
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He is obviously a nut..a mean nut.
But he is dead on that multi culturalism will kill Europe as he knows it just as surely as it will kill America as we know it.
It's a work in progress chugging steadily to a fait accompli.
Doesn't excuse his murdering but dismissing him as a National Socialist misses the point of what is happening to all of us.
We have already lost California to multiculturalism...Colorado largely...New Mexico to, Texas and Florida could be next...if Texas goes the way of California then we are beyond the point of return.
The demographics who vote for more government and contribute less will outnumber those who don't forever.
His fantasies about a modern Knights Templar notwithstanding..
some conservatives are very slow to wake up to this and will use this maniac as an excuse to resist the obvious
I recall around here 5 years ago just proposing that amnesty was a bad idea because those in need of it tended to invoke charges of bigotry like your’s here and even zots.
Now look at us.
We have one demographic block that votes 90-95% Democrat..12% of the population
another that votes 80% and they are anywhere from 16-18%...who knows really?
That is a 25% lock on the electorate for the takers. Add stupid white people and other minorities who with few exceptions vote Democrat as well and it's already a tall order...throw in their birth rate and it just gets better...it means we have to get around 66% of the remaining votes once we get past just those two aformentioned minority locks...does anyone here actually get how tough this is?
Only difference is in Norway, whites did this almost 100% to themselves...one could argue that the North Sea oil turned their backbone to mush
Nobody wants to claim this guy..trust me ..but dismissing him as a purely Neo Nazi misses the point..or trying to claim he's really a socialist is inaccurate..we have freepers here from Norway who have read his ramblings and claim much of it is in sync with this site
That he is crazy is without question..why kill kids?...if just had to go ape then why not take the party head on? soft targets are just that..soft and I suppose in his wickedness he knew this would hurt..bad bad hurt...the worst kind and hopefully bring more govt clampdown to further his vision for when traditional Europe will finally get a backbone and resist the sapping of the culture by others...in particular Muslims
I think Europe needs to wake up too and no matter what a devil guided jackass this guy is doesn't detract from the fact that Europe has a problem with immigration, Islam, revenue, wacky criteria etc and that the dilution of traditional demographics is only making a bad situation worse there....in Europe..France is their California...they lose France to Islam and it's a big problem..who will stand up against it?
Germany and England? ironically the former East block shows more resistance to the follys of multiculturalism experiments..course they can't afford it
He was going after the political party who were in his opinion enabling the Muslims to destroy their culture. More pointedly, he was going after their future generation of leaders and trying to nip it at the bud so to speak. From what I read these were the kids of the elite, the future movers and shakers of Norway.
Horrific as it is, there was a logic behind the madness. Pretty sure he didn’t act alone either.
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Just exactly what type of retreat was this? They keep saying a youth retreat but what type? Was it Christian? Jewish? Buddhist? Muslim?
It's hard to comprehend that someone would commit such a devastating act in order to make a point unless the actor was a Muslim and not a Christian as alleged.
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Noble goal, lousy method.
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[As a kid,] Reagan was a democrat - suppose a crazy guy attacked his summer camp.
This is more like the sunni and the shite killing each other in the name of allah.
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While it all too apparent that one must condemn this attack one can also reserved his or her own thoughts about how they when they are backed against the wall will confront Islam and its predetermined eventual world domination.
What would Americans think about all across America the Boy Scouts were forced to learn the Koran? or this scenario that Obama does indeed get re-elected and forms his Youth Corp?
Islam creates the Timothy McVeighs of the world.
My postings do not accept or support the actions of the Norway shooter and his choice of political protest. But during times of war everyone is guilty at one time or another of atrocities.
Of course he "acted alone."
He simply looked up on the Internet how to manufacture an Ammonium Nitrate (fertilizer) bomb and much like the rest of us do when searching how to make a good apple pie, proceeded to successfully accomplish what even practiced terrorists have had much difficulty accomplishinng, build a huge bomb and detonate it successfully.
Likewise, someone who had (apparently) no Military training/experience, goes out and obtains some weapons (including difficult to acquire--as reported--fully-automatic ones) and ammunition and proceeds (without ever having praticed, prepared or had any "instructions") to massacre some 80+ young children.
Makes sense to me!!! /sarc
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"Was his objective to kill and then have the public believe it was done by Muslims?"
It's worked with some people here. You could have a full confession from this guy and they would say it was a Muslim. I know that we ask many times "If mainstream Islam isn't represented by terrorist why don't more Muslims come out and condem those attacks." Well, I'll be the first to say publicly that even if this guy claims to be a Christian and a right winger he doesn't represent me, my faith, or those of you who stand with me for what is right. Our cause isn't about seeking out and killing a bunch of kids.
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Am wondering how Europeans in general feel about the Muslim problem - is the tide turning? Is it too late?
Muslim refusal to integrate will ultimately destroy their host’s cultures - what an unimaginable tragedy that would be.
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The traitors who unleashed the Muslim immigration onslaught against Europe made this madness inevitable. The Viking blood of Norway has been sleeping, but it didn't go away. Let's remember that the Viking was a warrior, but also capable of butchering innocents if that would get him what he wanted. Ask the monks at Lindisfarne.
God grant solace to the families. Having lost a child myself, I know that nothing will ever be the same for them.
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Here’s a clue for the clueless - Islam demands war against ALL non-Moslims.
Moslims are fighting a Crusade against the nom-Moslim world as I type this.
As for the crazed Norwegian murderer, he is hardly the first to see the necessity/inevitability of a crusade against Islam. Anyone who knows Islam, loathes Islam.
Shooting non-Islamic children is hardly a valid argument for the destruction of Islam.
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Look at it this way...
You are in Germany circa 1937. You know where one of the National Socialist retreats will be where future Nazi's are being indoctrinated.
What would you do?
--- In the interest of fairness, several Freepers replied to this guy saying he was a sick fuck.
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>> He’s just your average National Socialist. He thinks
>> conservatism means racial purity.
I see. Integration has worked so well for us. We have become such a great multicultural post-racial society since the 60’s. And it just keeps getting better and better.
Sentiments like yours make it clear. You’ve lost the culture war and you don’t even know it. They’ve managed to change the way you think and most of today’s conservatism is ideologically crippled and emotionally neutered to the point where it is always on the defensive. To steer clear, and not insinuate and never be confused with, or gosh forbid with anything that the other side labels “racist” and “offensive”.
Conservatism in its present form is a dead horse.
You think 2012 will save you? You think Palin or Bachmann will save you?
Just like coming here post-election day 2008 and finding some people slowly, painfully waking up to reality.
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He is obviously a nut..a mean nut.
But he is dead on that multi culturalism will kill Europe as he knows it just as surely as it will kill America as we know it.
It's a work in progress chugging steadily to a fait accompli.
Doesn't excuse his murdering but dismissing him as a National Socialist misses the point of what is happening to all of us.
We have already lost California to multiculturalism...Colorado largely...New Mexico to, Texas and Florida could be next...if Texas goes the way of California then we are beyond the point of return.
The demographics who vote for more government and contribute less will outnumber those who don't forever.
His fantasies about a modern Knights Templar notwithstanding..
some conservatives are very slow to wake up to this and will use this maniac as an excuse to resist the obvious
I recall around here 5 years ago just proposing that amnesty was a bad idea because those in need of it tended to invoke charges of bigotry like your’s here and even zots.
Now look at us.
We have one demographic block that votes 90-95% Democrat..12% of the population
another that votes 80% and they are anywhere from 16-18%...who knows really?
That is a 25% lock on the electorate for the takers. Add stupid white people and other minorities who with few exceptions vote Democrat as well and it's already a tall order...throw in their birth rate and it just gets better...it means we have to get around 66% of the remaining votes once we get past just those two aformentioned minority locks...does anyone here actually get how tough this is?
Only difference is in Norway, whites did this almost 100% to themselves...one could argue that the North Sea oil turned their backbone to mush
Nobody wants to claim this guy..trust me ..but dismissing him as a purely Neo Nazi misses the point..or trying to claim he's really a socialist is inaccurate..we have freepers here from Norway who have read his ramblings and claim much of it is in sync with this site
That he is crazy is without question..why kill kids?...if just had to go ape then why not take the party head on? soft targets are just that..soft and I suppose in his wickedness he knew this would hurt..bad bad hurt...the worst kind and hopefully bring more govt clampdown to further his vision for when traditional Europe will finally get a backbone and resist the sapping of the culture by others...in particular Muslims
I think Europe needs to wake up too and no matter what a devil guided jackass this guy is doesn't detract from the fact that Europe has a problem with immigration, Islam, revenue, wacky criteria etc and that the dilution of traditional demographics is only making a bad situation worse there....in Europe..France is their California...they lose France to Islam and it's a big problem..who will stand up against it?
Germany and England? ironically the former East block shows more resistance to the follys of multiculturalism experiments..course they can't afford it
He was going after the political party who were in his opinion enabling the Muslims to destroy their culture. More pointedly, he was going after their future generation of leaders and trying to nip it at the bud so to speak. From what I read these were the kids of the elite, the future movers and shakers of Norway.
Horrific as it is, there was a logic behind the madness. Pretty sure he didn’t act alone either.
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Just exactly what type of retreat was this? They keep saying a youth retreat but what type? Was it Christian? Jewish? Buddhist? Muslim?
It's hard to comprehend that someone would commit such a devastating act in order to make a point unless the actor was a Muslim and not a Christian as alleged.
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Noble goal, lousy method.
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[As a kid,] Reagan was a democrat - suppose a crazy guy attacked his summer camp.
This is more like the sunni and the shite killing each other in the name of allah.
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While it all too apparent that one must condemn this attack one can also reserved his or her own thoughts about how they when they are backed against the wall will confront Islam and its predetermined eventual world domination.
What would Americans think about all across America the Boy Scouts were forced to learn the Koran? or this scenario that Obama does indeed get re-elected and forms his Youth Corp?
Islam creates the Timothy McVeighs of the world.
My postings do not accept or support the actions of the Norway shooter and his choice of political protest. But during times of war everyone is guilty at one time or another of atrocities.
Saturday, July 23, 2011
More on the Norwegian attacks' suspect
FYI, I'm probably going to be covering this story quite a bit over the next few days, since he basically sounds like a mentally unstable, violent Freeper.
For those of you who would argue that most Freepers are mentally unstable, let me point out that this guy killed dozens of teenagers. So, you know, contextually, they're not that crazy.
Let me know if you have any requests.
The Norwegian daily Verdens Gang QOUTED A FRIEND as saying Breivik became a right-wing extremist
Often, the extremes in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right.
So, an “extreme right wing” individual in Europe is not always an “extreme right wing” individual in America. That’s important to note
So he belongs to the swedish nazi party that believes in attacks on government buildings , sounds like adolph obammas best friend bill ayers.
And or corrupt media will never tell us the truth. Or theirs.
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"Fascists are Lefties, too."---So I always thought. Tell that to a lib/progressive and you will get an argument like the article that Communists are lefties and Fascists are right wing extremists.
Can someone with a handle on why the libs think that please chime in? Both take freedoms; both have govt. totally in control of business (though in Fascism, there is some private ownership with close govt. supervision, while in Communism the govt. owns everything); in short, both are statist govts.
The closest I ever came to winning an argument with an Ivory tower, Ivy leaguer, was when one explained that everything is on a straight line continuum, with Communism at left tip and Fascism far right. I said, "Aha! When you bend the line and make a circle, Communism and Fascism are right together. But you cannot win an argument with the left--conservatives just aren't that smart (in lefties' opinion), and facts are only checkers to be moved around the board.
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I just don't see why anyone would target children - right or left wing. It will be interesting to find out what 'result' he had in mind other then killing children.
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They are going to use this meme to demonize and then shut down Free Republic.
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Seems I recall a certain past affinity, between the Nazi regime and certain Muslim regimes. Not to tie it all up in a nice pretty bow and all, but that impulse does seem to be in the air since yesterday. Too bad reality untied the state media version so rapidly, but that seems to be in the air of late as well.
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Yep, the nazis and the muslims share to a great extent a common ideology. Much of it centers around the killing of Jews. See the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2 and Hitler’s promise to allow him the privilege of wiping out the remaining Jews in the ME after the Nazi victory. Also the Muslim/Nazi units in the Balkans. The muslims love Mein Kampf as it’s often purchased and given away as an Eid present.
---LOL WUT
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Where there´s a nazi connection, there´s an arab connection.
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What are the odds that anyone in the media points out that NAZI is an acronym for National SOCIALIST Party?
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as of 2010 he wasn't and didn't like Socialist Democrat whom he claimed were leftest.
He loved the free market and what i find really odd was his writings he is always polite and courteous. Has anyone that was out to kill masses of people ever been polite and courteous?
I personally believe one of two things is taking place here:
1. He changed a great deal in one year.
2. he is being set up
Here is a quote from Breivik:
"National Socialism has always been an extreme left ideology then why are they trying constantly to strategically place it on the right side?
If you hate capitalism and the free market, such as Marxists, Nazis and Islamists do, attained the left side, period."
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"Ok so he was a Neo-Nazi. Why was he gunning down kids at camp? Dont they target jews and blacks and other minorities instead? And at a kid camp of all places."
The camp, ages 16-22, hardly kids, was run by the ruling hard Socialist party. They were grooming the next generation of Socialist leadership there. The perp was apparently "fed up" with the socialist policies including unrestricted muslim immigration into the country. He apparently believed them to be the primary enablers and the root cause of the problems. Every bit of information that I've seen points to the likely motive being dissafected with the Socialist policies, including immigration, and going after children of the political elites, to make a statement. I am not trying to defend his actions in any way, just that there seems to be a grim kind of logic to it. The likely fallout of this (already happening) will be demonization and marginalization of anyone critical of multiculturalism, unrestricted immigration and espousing traditionalist, nationalist views. They will also roll back gun ownership in Norway (surprisingly permissive by European standards), big time.
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I will play devil’s advocate for a bit. What connections does Soros have to Norway?
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What the Norwegian govt. claims happened is so close to impossible that I assume they are lying. Assuming he was firing on full auto with a submachinegun of some sort, he’d have needed eight or ten magazines to kill that many people and he’d have needed them all to stand still while all that was going on. I assume more than one shooter was involved.
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Wow the internet really bring out the crazies. There are so many people worried about what label will be put on this crazy, that they are willing to deny reality and invoke conspiracies in an attempt to save face. Folks... crazies and ideologues come in all shades ... like it or not.
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"Mike Savage yesterday hinted it might be a setup or at least that is way he sounded to me."
Something isn't adding up here. A set-up is as good a working theory as any other, at the moment.
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“Of course many of us are concerned - we all know how much mileage the leftists in control of most western governments will get out of a single ‘right wing’ mass murderer.”
Very good point and the current Prime Minister of Norway, Jens Stoltenberg is a socialist. His sister was a straight up Marxist and Stoltenberg came to prominence heading the Workers Youth League in Norway. He has admitted to throwing rocks at the US Embassy in Oslo during the Vietnam War.
Norway’s ruling majority is a “red-green” coalition of leftists and environmentalists.
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I saw Stoltenberg on tv. I was not predisposed to dislike him because I didn't know about his past.
But in this tv clip Stoltenberg was weird. He was trying to express condolences to the victims' families, but he had a strange expression playing about the corners of his lips as he mouthed the words.
To me it looked as if he were struggling to keep from smiling. Perhaps he is in fact happy at the situation he is now in, with his party's reelection now almost assured? and despite the sad situation he could not keep a smug smirk from coming through.
For those of you who would argue that most Freepers are mentally unstable, let me point out that this guy killed dozens of teenagers. So, you know, contextually, they're not that crazy.
Let me know if you have any requests.
The Norwegian daily Verdens Gang QOUTED A FRIEND as saying Breivik became a right-wing extremist
Often, the extremes in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right.
So, an “extreme right wing” individual in Europe is not always an “extreme right wing” individual in America. That’s important to note
So he belongs to the swedish nazi party that believes in attacks on government buildings , sounds like adolph obammas best friend bill ayers.
And or corrupt media will never tell us the truth. Or theirs.
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"Fascists are Lefties, too."---So I always thought. Tell that to a lib/progressive and you will get an argument like the article that Communists are lefties and Fascists are right wing extremists.
Can someone with a handle on why the libs think that please chime in? Both take freedoms; both have govt. totally in control of business (though in Fascism, there is some private ownership with close govt. supervision, while in Communism the govt. owns everything); in short, both are statist govts.
The closest I ever came to winning an argument with an Ivory tower, Ivy leaguer, was when one explained that everything is on a straight line continuum, with Communism at left tip and Fascism far right. I said, "Aha! When you bend the line and make a circle, Communism and Fascism are right together. But you cannot win an argument with the left--conservatives just aren't that smart (in lefties' opinion), and facts are only checkers to be moved around the board.
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I just don't see why anyone would target children - right or left wing. It will be interesting to find out what 'result' he had in mind other then killing children.
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They are going to use this meme to demonize and then shut down Free Republic.
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Seems I recall a certain past affinity, between the Nazi regime and certain Muslim regimes. Not to tie it all up in a nice pretty bow and all, but that impulse does seem to be in the air since yesterday. Too bad reality untied the state media version so rapidly, but that seems to be in the air of late as well.
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Yep, the nazis and the muslims share to a great extent a common ideology. Much of it centers around the killing of Jews. See the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2 and Hitler’s promise to allow him the privilege of wiping out the remaining Jews in the ME after the Nazi victory. Also the Muslim/Nazi units in the Balkans. The muslims love Mein Kampf as it’s often purchased and given away as an Eid present.
---LOL WUT
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Where there´s a nazi connection, there´s an arab connection.
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What are the odds that anyone in the media points out that NAZI is an acronym for National SOCIALIST Party?
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as of 2010 he wasn't and didn't like Socialist Democrat whom he claimed were leftest.
He loved the free market and what i find really odd was his writings he is always polite and courteous. Has anyone that was out to kill masses of people ever been polite and courteous?
I personally believe one of two things is taking place here:
1. He changed a great deal in one year.
2. he is being set up
Here is a quote from Breivik:
"National Socialism has always been an extreme left ideology then why are they trying constantly to strategically place it on the right side?
If you hate capitalism and the free market, such as Marxists, Nazis and Islamists do, attained the left side, period."
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"Ok so he was a Neo-Nazi. Why was he gunning down kids at camp? Dont they target jews and blacks and other minorities instead? And at a kid camp of all places."
The camp, ages 16-22, hardly kids, was run by the ruling hard Socialist party. They were grooming the next generation of Socialist leadership there. The perp was apparently "fed up" with the socialist policies including unrestricted muslim immigration into the country. He apparently believed them to be the primary enablers and the root cause of the problems. Every bit of information that I've seen points to the likely motive being dissafected with the Socialist policies, including immigration, and going after children of the political elites, to make a statement. I am not trying to defend his actions in any way, just that there seems to be a grim kind of logic to it. The likely fallout of this (already happening) will be demonization and marginalization of anyone critical of multiculturalism, unrestricted immigration and espousing traditionalist, nationalist views. They will also roll back gun ownership in Norway (surprisingly permissive by European standards), big time.
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I will play devil’s advocate for a bit. What connections does Soros have to Norway?
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What the Norwegian govt. claims happened is so close to impossible that I assume they are lying. Assuming he was firing on full auto with a submachinegun of some sort, he’d have needed eight or ten magazines to kill that many people and he’d have needed them all to stand still while all that was going on. I assume more than one shooter was involved.
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Wow the internet really bring out the crazies. There are so many people worried about what label will be put on this crazy, that they are willing to deny reality and invoke conspiracies in an attempt to save face. Folks... crazies and ideologues come in all shades ... like it or not.
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"Mike Savage yesterday hinted it might be a setup or at least that is way he sounded to me."
Something isn't adding up here. A set-up is as good a working theory as any other, at the moment.
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“Of course many of us are concerned - we all know how much mileage the leftists in control of most western governments will get out of a single ‘right wing’ mass murderer.”
Very good point and the current Prime Minister of Norway, Jens Stoltenberg is a socialist. His sister was a straight up Marxist and Stoltenberg came to prominence heading the Workers Youth League in Norway. He has admitted to throwing rocks at the US Embassy in Oslo during the Vietnam War.
Norway’s ruling majority is a “red-green” coalition of leftists and environmentalists.
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I saw Stoltenberg on tv. I was not predisposed to dislike him because I didn't know about his past.
But in this tv clip Stoltenberg was weird. He was trying to express condolences to the victims' families, but he had a strange expression playing about the corners of his lips as he mouthed the words.
To me it looked as if he were struggling to keep from smiling. Perhaps he is in fact happy at the situation he is now in, with his party's reelection now almost assured? and despite the sad situation he could not keep a smug smirk from coming through.
Man held after Norway attacks right-wing extremist
All the media organs got their marching orders and they are running with it. So transparent.
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Too early for instant reactions. Wait a while until this shakes out.
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"has links to right-wing extremism"
What, since this is Reuters, that could mean the Boy Scouts and the NRA.
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The European right and American right are too very different animals.
Pym Fortyun was a flaming homosexual euro right wing extremist.
it is also interpreted as extreme populism
think Hitler-ish
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So..why did he just target the Labor Party? Seems the answer can be found there if we look hard enough. He sure didn’t target the leftwing socialists in the Norwegian government that are calling for Norway and the UN to attack Israel. Bet he is a raging anti-semitic.
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Keep in mind that in Europe a right-wing extermist is a fasicst.......which is a socialist........
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I’m a right-wing extremist and I’ll admit to wanting to choke a few libs, but I couldn’t even come close to understanding why anyone (other than muslims) would want to commit such a slaughter.
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Notice how most news reports bent over backwards to describe his ethnicity (because he’s white).
“See, whites can be terrorists too.”
I bet my bottom dollar, either the guy was schizophrenic/mentally ill or is linked to the Muzziggers.
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"So was the a hole in. Arizona for about 24hrs"
Right, and so was the guy who flew his small plane into an IRS building in TX -- for about 24hrs.
The MSM were gleeful at first - thought they had him pegged as a right-winger. A closer look at his writings proved he was more to the Left than the Right. The MSM suddenly lost interest.
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Getting very smug over the Leftwing media's "Timothy McVeigh" angle on this? Maybe you should first deal with what even Clinton's anti-terror csar had to admit about the Oklahoma City Bombing and al Qaeda:
“Another conspiracy theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlikely on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building. The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boy friend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.”
“Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. Government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols’ bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earlier in, of all places, Oklahoma City.”
-Richard Clarke (Clinton's anti-terror czar) “Against All Enemies”, p. 127 (LINK) ]
Put that together with the fact that multiple witnesses who saw McVeigh in Oklahoma City before the bombing saw him with a hispanic {middle-east?} looking man who was not Nichols(“John Doe 2”/"the 3rd terrorist").
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Backlash ... as I posted earlier on another thread... Let’s see if this guy so hated Muslims and the PC Diversity at all cost pushed by the government of Norway that he avenged the rapes and murders and cultural destruction brought to Norway by Islamic imports...
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If I have to eat crow, I will unhappily do so but something about this does not pass the smell test. If this guy was really a Right Wing Conservative, he would probably have gone after Somalians who are raping Norwegian girls by the bus load. Not some group of kids from a party he may disagree with.
Either the press is misidentifying him or it is a set up to fool people.
As I said it just doesn’t seem to match what a true conservative would do.
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I can’t imagine why someone with those views, who is angry that Muslims are immigrating to Norway and harm Norwegians, would then go and slaughter so many Norwegians. Senseless.
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it makes no sense at all. If his hatred were focused on Muslims and their enablers he'd have gone after at least one them directly. If the enablers were his prime target, he wouldn't have shot up a youth camp, he'd have attempted to kill gov't officials.
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Too early for instant reactions. Wait a while until this shakes out.
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"has links to right-wing extremism"
What, since this is Reuters, that could mean the Boy Scouts and the NRA.
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The European right and American right are too very different animals.
Pym Fortyun was a flaming homosexual euro right wing extremist.
it is also interpreted as extreme populism
think Hitler-ish
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So..why did he just target the Labor Party? Seems the answer can be found there if we look hard enough. He sure didn’t target the leftwing socialists in the Norwegian government that are calling for Norway and the UN to attack Israel. Bet he is a raging anti-semitic.
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Keep in mind that in Europe a right-wing extermist is a fasicst.......which is a socialist........
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I’m a right-wing extremist and I’ll admit to wanting to choke a few libs, but I couldn’t even come close to understanding why anyone (other than muslims) would want to commit such a slaughter.
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Notice how most news reports bent over backwards to describe his ethnicity (because he’s white).
“See, whites can be terrorists too.”
I bet my bottom dollar, either the guy was schizophrenic/mentally ill or is linked to the Muzziggers.
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"So was the a hole in. Arizona for about 24hrs"
Right, and so was the guy who flew his small plane into an IRS building in TX -- for about 24hrs.
The MSM were gleeful at first - thought they had him pegged as a right-winger. A closer look at his writings proved he was more to the Left than the Right. The MSM suddenly lost interest.
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Getting very smug over the Leftwing media's "Timothy McVeigh" angle on this? Maybe you should first deal with what even Clinton's anti-terror csar had to admit about the Oklahoma City Bombing and al Qaeda:
“Another conspiracy theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlikely on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building. The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boy friend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.”
“Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. Government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols’ bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earlier in, of all places, Oklahoma City.”
-Richard Clarke (Clinton's anti-terror czar) “Against All Enemies”, p. 127 (LINK) ]
Put that together with the fact that multiple witnesses who saw McVeigh in Oklahoma City before the bombing saw him with a hispanic {middle-east?} looking man who was not Nichols(“John Doe 2”/"the 3rd terrorist").
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Backlash ... as I posted earlier on another thread... Let’s see if this guy so hated Muslims and the PC Diversity at all cost pushed by the government of Norway that he avenged the rapes and murders and cultural destruction brought to Norway by Islamic imports...
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If I have to eat crow, I will unhappily do so but something about this does not pass the smell test. If this guy was really a Right Wing Conservative, he would probably have gone after Somalians who are raping Norwegian girls by the bus load. Not some group of kids from a party he may disagree with.
Either the press is misidentifying him or it is a set up to fool people.
As I said it just doesn’t seem to match what a true conservative would do.
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I can’t imagine why someone with those views, who is angry that Muslims are immigrating to Norway and harm Norwegians, would then go and slaughter so many Norwegians. Senseless.
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it makes no sense at all. If his hatred were focused on Muslims and their enablers he'd have gone after at least one them directly. If the enablers were his prime target, he wouldn't have shot up a youth camp, he'd have attempted to kill gov't officials.
Explosion in central Oslo
"Those violent Amish again?"
No. Clearly white, gun-owning, Ron Paul supporters are responsible for this.
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The fingerprint of islamic immigration.
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“Michelle Malkin just tweeted that Norway had just taken some sort of action against a Muslim Cleric.”
What did they do? Limit him to 5 wives? Cut back one of his welfare payments? Stop him from beating his wife to death? Told him he couldn’t bomb the PM building?
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Isn’t unbridled immigration wonderful? It brings in people that care so much for your country and culture. /s
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Does anyone know if this is near the US embassy?
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BHO is at a town hall event joking about his skinny legs.
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"...because our government devoted most our resources to Iraq instead"
Nice you have strong feelings on this issue. Unfortunately your feelings are wholly incorrect.
Why Iraq
One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.
Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.
To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.
The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.
Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare.
Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.
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The Muslim Brotherhood plan of colonization of the “infidel” West can be seen by a casual drive through almost any small town or city in North America. Unlike any other ethnic group which has come to North America in the post-agricultural era, the muslims are spreading themselves into the hinterlands - not just the major urban centres. They want to be an influence in every corner of Canada and the US - not just Dearborn, Michigan. It is not accidental - it is a deliberate plan. And our politicians are either naive or complicit.
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Nations turn away from God and God’s commandments and this is what happens. Terrorism, natural disasters, etc. Notice the porn on Oslo TV station’s web page.
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Anybody thinks WH or State dept will issue a lame statement telling us not to jump to conclusions? That idiot Napolitano will double her effort at checking the TPers and reassure the public ‘the system worked’?
Any time now.
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The liberals in Oslo gave Obama a Nobel prize for his willingness to coddle these terrorists. This is a symbolic bombing as well.
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Two points on the youth camp shooting:
First, don’t be surprised if the guy wearing a “police like” uniform turns out to be an actual police officer, hired to fulfil some affirmative action program.
Second, it’s more than just a bit creepy that political parties have their own youth camps, which I expect are aimed at indoctrination.
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Those yout camps are probably teaching Islamic tolerance.
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Islam and Muslims around the world are at war with America, Israel, the West and EVERYONE whom Islam labels an “Infidel” i.e., EVERYONE who does not believe in their false god “Allah”, or his false prophet mohammed.
According to Islam, all us “infidels” get one of three “choices”:
1) Convert to Islam by force or by choice.
2) Become a slave subject to Islamic masters and under Shariah Law.
If you refuse these two “choices”, you only have one choice left:
3) You can DIE for your faith or lack thereof!
These are the ONLY choices Islam offers all us “infidels”.
There are no “moderate Muslims”, there are only Muslims, and the above, along with what we are seeing take place today is exactly what they believe and practice. They are in a perpetual state of war with everyone who is not them.
No. Clearly white, gun-owning, Ron Paul supporters are responsible for this.
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The fingerprint of islamic immigration.
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“Michelle Malkin just tweeted that Norway had just taken some sort of action against a Muslim Cleric.”
What did they do? Limit him to 5 wives? Cut back one of his welfare payments? Stop him from beating his wife to death? Told him he couldn’t bomb the PM building?
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Isn’t unbridled immigration wonderful? It brings in people that care so much for your country and culture. /s
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Does anyone know if this is near the US embassy?
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BHO is at a town hall event joking about his skinny legs.
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"...because our government devoted most our resources to Iraq instead"
Nice you have strong feelings on this issue. Unfortunately your feelings are wholly incorrect.
Why Iraq
One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.
Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.
To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.
The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.
Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare.
Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.
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The Muslim Brotherhood plan of colonization of the “infidel” West can be seen by a casual drive through almost any small town or city in North America. Unlike any other ethnic group which has come to North America in the post-agricultural era, the muslims are spreading themselves into the hinterlands - not just the major urban centres. They want to be an influence in every corner of Canada and the US - not just Dearborn, Michigan. It is not accidental - it is a deliberate plan. And our politicians are either naive or complicit.
*
Nations turn away from God and God’s commandments and this is what happens. Terrorism, natural disasters, etc. Notice the porn on Oslo TV station’s web page.
*
Anybody thinks WH or State dept will issue a lame statement telling us not to jump to conclusions? That idiot Napolitano will double her effort at checking the TPers and reassure the public ‘the system worked’?
Any time now.
*
The liberals in Oslo gave Obama a Nobel prize for his willingness to coddle these terrorists. This is a symbolic bombing as well.
*
Two points on the youth camp shooting:
First, don’t be surprised if the guy wearing a “police like” uniform turns out to be an actual police officer, hired to fulfil some affirmative action program.
Second, it’s more than just a bit creepy that political parties have their own youth camps, which I expect are aimed at indoctrination.
*
Those yout camps are probably teaching Islamic tolerance.
*
Islam and Muslims around the world are at war with America, Israel, the West and EVERYONE whom Islam labels an “Infidel” i.e., EVERYONE who does not believe in their false god “Allah”, or his false prophet mohammed.
According to Islam, all us “infidels” get one of three “choices”:
1) Convert to Islam by force or by choice.
2) Become a slave subject to Islamic masters and under Shariah Law.
If you refuse these two “choices”, you only have one choice left:
3) You can DIE for your faith or lack thereof!
These are the ONLY choices Islam offers all us “infidels”.
There are no “moderate Muslims”, there are only Muslims, and the above, along with what we are seeing take place today is exactly what they believe and practice. They are in a perpetual state of war with everyone who is not them.
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